Response to Development Application filed with city for Beer Store redevelopment


There was a large turn out to the recent planning meeting regarding the Beer Store proposal. Area resident Jordan Allison has compiled a detailed response regarding the design and the plan. To read it please click here

For detailed information about the current plan please click here.  

It is interesting to note that there is a similar plan for the Beer Store at Logan and Gerrard which is only six storeys high. To look at that plan click here

A similar plan is also in the works for a Beer Store at Avenue Road and Lawrence. To see that plan click here

Both of those plans include more family sized 2 bedroom units while the proposal for our area is for more 1 bedroom units.      

Meeting with developer/architect for Beer Store Condo

Updated after August Meeting with developer.

 Entrance of Seaton and back door entrance off the new walkway. Front desk can see in both directions east and west. That side of the building the 45º city rules is applied. Also the building is not as tall there stepped back more. No condo on ground level any more. Ground floor all retail other than the condo entrance.
  • ·         Pulled back from the yellow house on the south (Seaton) creating a walk way through to Ontario Street
  • ·         1 loading dock (was 2)
  • ·         Screened garbage pick-up – right now just a wall but open to what kind of wall. Green, cut metal art.
  • ·         That part the joins the school house (a lot less in height) – now condos not amenity space. (Problem Still way to close to the school house).
  • ·         Problem – glass balconies – see people junk, (Jordan’s comment) some are too low, privacy issues for the neighbours to the south.
  • ·         Windows look more like double hung and the vertical lines match across at the same height as the other existing buildings.
  • ·         Green roof. New amenity space. No amenity spaces face south.
  • ·         Mechanically totally recessed
  • ·         All retail and entrances across front entrances only off Gerrard.
  • ·         Beer store is still there. Developer wants it gone. Taking up half the retail now. We stated we want it smaller ¼ now ½ retail space, better yet gone.
  • ·         Shadows on the north side better (only took 1 floor off).
  • ·         Exterior Material choice. Better but the building looks stripy changes from red brick, yellow brick, cast concrete and metal on each floor. Developer admitted that this is something he wants to re-visit.
  • ·         Building design, we agreed to let heritage have their say, they are the professionals. Agreed to a meeting in September with heritage.
  • ·         PROBLEM – the building is too tall still 8 stories, and does not step back enough on Gerrard yet. Still a big wall. We, told the developer at the end of the presentation that the neighbors would still have a huge issue with the height. Steve, the developer admitted he still may have issues with the city is pushing the mid-rise guidelines.
  • ·         Step back on the rear. They are still encroaching too much on the 45º plane in areas. Not just balconies. The worse problem is the school house and that covered drive way and the Ontario street North side.
  • ·         There was talk of more residents parking. To build a half level of parking is just the same as 1 full level. These will probably be sold with the condos.
  • ·         They did agree to introduce Bryan and their people so CSRA could have a say in the design, material choices. Good News
  • ·         Talk of continuing the bike lanes from the other side of Sherburne and creating – short term (20 minutes) parking out front for the retail. Think this is something the city need to approve.
  • ·         Another opportunity for landscaping here.
  • ·         Making the street 2 way at the top. City need to weigh in on that if it is possible. A bit too early in the process we were told need re-zoning first.



A group of area residents met with the developer and architectural team fro the proposed condo in early May of 2017 Here is a brief update. Overall went very well.

They are re-visiting the drawings to incorporate our comments, historic and the city’s comments.

Height was the main concern and discussion. We let the developer and architects speak first.

The developer started the meeting at 7 stories but they conceded to 6 to follow the city’s mid-rise guidelines.

We were advised that they were turned down on the proposal for the River Beer store by the city.  This may have helped in getting them to rethink a lower rise building on Gerrard Street. They want to get something approved.

We still did push for lower, Jordan had great statement about the height why it was wrong.

“We are controlled by historic rules what we can do to our properties. We knew this when we bought properties in the neighbourhood.

Why should you coming into this neighbourhood, knowing it is historic be allowed not to follow the rules?”

The developer had thoughts that whole strip would be developed eventually and he was just the first.

My statement was the building of that height and density just will not fit and none of the surrounding buildings north south east will never be more than they are now because of the historic designation coming. Jordan confirm this as well and said 7 stories just does not make sense.

We voiced concerns about  the density and height that might make the units student residence with the majority of small apartment becoming transiant. We did push for more larger units.

Jordan did say this building will set precedent and even thou we are just a small resident’s association we have ties to them all 6 of the neighoburing associations.

We all know each other and this is important development for all of us. Everyone will want to have a say. This development may affect all of us when it comes to precedent on height

Issues around Safety

We are pushing to make the back of the building not just for deliveries. To have Constant foot traffic in that area. A reason to go there.

Jeff said. “Treat the back of the building as the front” Open to all ideas to beautiful this façade. Longer wider balconies so there are eyes on the alleys and the back at all times.

Beer Store

Not sure what the deal is, they would not confirm anything. They are not the only tenant now. 5,500 sq ft now down from 7,700 sq ft.

We pushed for the Beer Store to be gone or reduced even more. If that happens this will help the back of the building design in a positive way.

No need for 2 loading docks. This pleased the architects they could do more with the design and possibly lower the height because of this

The Developer is totally aware of Winchester Resident Association & BIA with the beer store last week.

Lorraine informed him we were meeting with Glen Murray’s office Friday to ask for his help as well.

New Condo entrance

Seaton Street south west corner. This is a good thing at least to me. Not just a wall beside that 2 ½ stories house. A residential entrance on a residential street.

All retail entrances only off Gerrard


Talk of possibility of continuing bike lane like on the other side of Gerrard. Get some green space out front. Larger set-back from the street than original drawing (city’s request)

Green Roof

City’s request

The architects were very excited to do a historic looking building.

I think there is a budget for this. I asked that direct question. Is the design dictated totally by budget?

There was never any talk about that too expensive to do but of course the budget is not unlimited.

My paid public parking request. He did said that is very expensive to do but he did write that down. Not sure if that is a possibility but I had to ask.


They floated the idea to the city that all trucks to go north back to Gerrard to city and they seemed open to it.

The developer did qualify it that it is not a done deal changing that short part of the street to 2 way but was willing to propose it to the city.

We are meeting again in 3 week approximately.

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